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		<title>By: j.</title>
		<link>http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/you-cant-keep-a/comment-page-1/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of an excess of spam, I&#039;ve closed comments on this post.  If you have a comment to leave please find another, more recent post in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/category/themes/stitch-v-bitch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stitch v bitch&lt;/a&gt; category and leave your comment there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of an excess of spam, I&#8217;ve closed comments on this post.  If you have a comment to leave please find another, more recent post in the <a href="http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/category/themes/stitch-v-bitch/" rel="nofollow">stitch v bitch</a> category and leave your comment there.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/you-cant-keep-a/comment-page-1/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;stitch &#039;n bitch&quot; has been around many a year, long before Sew Fast So Easy came up with the stitch &#039;n bitch &quot;cafe&quot;. The domain name stitchnbitch.ca is up for sale on ebay right now and I invite anyone to make a bid and use the domain freely. I have found hundreds of stitch &#039;n bitch sites, groups and blogs on the net. I wonder if she intends to move her wrath over the web to anyone group or peson attempting to use the term. I blame Yahoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;stitch &#8216;n bitch&#8221; has been around many a year, long before Sew Fast So Easy came up with the stitch &#8216;n bitch &#8220;cafe&#8221;. The domain name stitchnbitch.ca is up for sale on ebay right now and I invite anyone to make a bid and use the domain freely. I have found hundreds of stitch &#8216;n bitch sites, groups and blogs on the net. I wonder if she intends to move her wrath over the web to anyone group or peson attempting to use the term. I blame Yahoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
		<link>http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/you-cant-keep-a/comment-page-1/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t given any notice and yahoo just deleted our group, just like that.  So I&#039;m pretty pissed.  And the name of our group was SNB Western &#039;burbs.  I wish there was a class action lawsuit pending or something.  Stupid Yahoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t given any notice and yahoo just deleted our group, just like that.  So I&#8217;m pretty pissed.  And the name of our group was SNB Western &#8216;burbs.  I wish there was a class action lawsuit pending or something.  Stupid Yahoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Elabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/you-cant-keep-a/comment-page-1/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>Elabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SFSE &quot;Find A Stitch And Bitch&quot; area has nothing but angry remarks. They seem to be leaving everything there so far unless you include a url pointing to stitchnbitch.org or your yahoo group. If you do that they&#039;ll go in and edit your post so that the url points back to their &quot;stitch and bitch cafe&quot;. (as though that isn&#039;t obviously tampered with. geez)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SFSE &#8220;Find A Stitch And Bitch&#8221; area has nothing but angry remarks. They seem to be leaving everything there so far unless you include a url pointing to stitchnbitch.org or your yahoo group. If you do that they&#8217;ll go in and edit your post so that the url points back to their &#8220;stitch and bitch cafe&#8221;. (as though that isn&#8217;t obviously tampered with. geez)</p>
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		<title>By: Zabet</title>
		<link>http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/you-cant-keep-a/comment-page-1/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>Zabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We got the &quot;nastygram&quot; as well.  However, our official Yahoo!Group(tm) name is SNB-Lex.  So it&#039;s likely that using &quot;SNB&quot; won&#039;t protect you.  In the interim, we&#039;ve changed our name to &quot;Sew-Fast-Sew-Easy-Kiss-Our-Butt&quot;.  Granted, it&#039;s not mature, and it probably falls into the same infringement category, but why call yourself a Bitch if you&#039;re aren&#039;t going to act like one?

Should Debbie be allowed to trademark SNB?  I don&#039;t know enough law to comment.  But according to the Red Hat eligible contingent in our group, the term has been around for decades.  How long has SNB Cafe been around, I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got the &#8220;nastygram&#8221; as well.  However, our official Yahoo!Group(tm) name is SNB-Lex.  So it&#8217;s likely that using &#8220;SNB&#8221; won&#8217;t protect you.  In the interim, we&#8217;ve changed our name to &#8220;Sew-Fast-Sew-Easy-Kiss-Our-Butt&#8221;.  Granted, it&#8217;s not mature, and it probably falls into the same infringement category, but why call yourself a Bitch if you&#8217;re aren&#8217;t going to act like one?</p>
<p>Should Debbie be allowed to trademark SNB?  I don&#8217;t know enough law to comment.  But according to the Red Hat eligible contingent in our group, the term has been around for decades.  How long has SNB Cafe been around, I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: Jenifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was the recipient of a nastygram by Yahoo, and how did I miss this whole story unfolding??? Thanks for the links!  We changed our name to SNB.  Hopefully SNB won&#039;t be copyrighted by Sew Crass/Sew Sleazy as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was the recipient of a nastygram by Yahoo, and how did I miss this whole story unfolding??? Thanks for the links!  We changed our name to SNB.  Hopefully SNB won&#8217;t be copyrighted by Sew Crass/Sew Sleazy as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Elabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I run the Arkansas Stitch N Bitch Yahoo Group. Debbie sent the following email to all the groups suggesting we use SNB then the state or city etc. Yahoo doesn&#039;t seem to care one way or the other. They&#039;ll just delete everything to keep themselves out of the fray. I contacted SFSE asking if we could put a disclaimer on our main page saying we are not affiliated with them and provide a link to their site for in case anyone WAS confused as to what we&#039;re about. They weren&#039;t receptive to that idea either.

Dear Stitchers &#039;n Bitchers:

It has come to my attention that the moderators of a number of Stitch &#039;n
Bitch groups who host their mailing lists using Yahoo Groups&#039; free mailing
list services have received notices from Yahoo advising them that they must
delete the wording STITCH N BITCH from their Yahoo!Group URL and any
references to STITCH N BITCH in the GROUP itself. This notice is a result of
a objection filed by Sew Fast Sew Easy Inc., a New York company, who is
claiming rights to this wording.

A number of you have been emailing me asking what to do. I have spoken about
this matter with my attorneys. First of all, please realize that you are not
being asked in this notice to change the name of your actual knitting group,
just the group designation you use on the Yahoo group and Yahoo URL, if you
want to keep using their free email services. Unfortunately, there is no
immediate recourse with Yahoo other than to make the change at this time.
They require this as soon as anybody makes any kind of claim--they do  not
evaluate the merits of the claim. This being the case, one idea is to simply
change any references to STITCH n BITCH in your Yahoo Group name to some
alternative such as SNB (i.e, StitchnBitch-NYC would become SNB-NYC. Easier
to type, too!) Your group moderator can easily make this change via the
Yahoogroups control panel.

I know how much we value these lists as a way to communicate with our
groups, and I think we should all try to avoid the possible loss of our
group lists if Yahoo proceeds with a shut down. Also, I&#039;d like you to remind
you that the group moderator can export the members list at any time (just
go to &quot;members&quot; then &quot;export&quot;), and save it somewhere special.

Finally, if you decide to change your Yahoo Groups name or move your list,
please be sure to have some one from your group let Brenda know so she can
change it on her www.stitchnbitch.org site.

Thanks!

Debbie Stoller
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http://www.knithappens.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I run the Arkansas Stitch N Bitch Yahoo Group. Debbie sent the following email to all the groups suggesting we use SNB then the state or city etc. Yahoo doesn&#8217;t seem to care one way or the other. They&#8217;ll just delete everything to keep themselves out of the fray. I contacted SFSE asking if we could put a disclaimer on our main page saying we are not affiliated with them and provide a link to their site for in case anyone WAS confused as to what we&#8217;re about. They weren&#8217;t receptive to that idea either.</p>
<p>Dear Stitchers &#8216;n Bitchers:</p>
<p>It has come to my attention that the moderators of a number of Stitch &#8216;n<br />
Bitch groups who host their mailing lists using Yahoo Groups&#8217; free mailing<br />
list services have received notices from Yahoo advising them that they must<br />
delete the wording STITCH N BITCH from their Yahoo!Group URL and any<br />
references to STITCH N BITCH in the GROUP itself. This notice is a result of<br />
a objection filed by Sew Fast Sew Easy Inc., a New York company, who is<br />
claiming rights to this wording.</p>
<p>A number of you have been emailing me asking what to do. I have spoken about<br />
this matter with my attorneys. First of all, please realize that you are not<br />
being asked in this notice to change the name of your actual knitting group,<br />
just the group designation you use on the Yahoo group and Yahoo URL, if you<br />
want to keep using their free email services. Unfortunately, there is no<br />
immediate recourse with Yahoo other than to make the change at this time.<br />
They require this as soon as anybody makes any kind of claim&#8211;they do  not<br />
evaluate the merits of the claim. This being the case, one idea is to simply<br />
change any references to STITCH n BITCH in your Yahoo Group name to some<br />
alternative such as SNB (i.e, StitchnBitch-NYC would become SNB-NYC. Easier<br />
to type, too!) Your group moderator can easily make this change via the<br />
Yahoogroups control panel.</p>
<p>I know how much we value these lists as a way to communicate with our<br />
groups, and I think we should all try to avoid the possible loss of our<br />
group lists if Yahoo proceeds with a shut down. Also, I&#8217;d like you to remind<br />
you that the group moderator can export the members list at any time (just<br />
go to &#8220;members&#8221; then &#8220;export&#8221;), and save it somewhere special.</p>
<p>Finally, if you decide to change your Yahoo Groups name or move your list,<br />
please be sure to have some one from your group let Brenda know so she can<br />
change it on her <a href="http://www.stitchnbitch.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.stitchnbitch.org</a> site.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Debbie Stoller<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.knithappens.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.knithappens.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Janice in Ga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice in Ga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm..I suppose just SnB would be a little too uninformative though, huh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm..I suppose just SnB would be a little too uninformative though, huh.</p>
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