Comments on: An evidentiary object-lesson (now with even more edits) http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/ don't complain. what if this blog wasn't here at all, hmm? Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:54:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: j. http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-918 j. Thu, 17 May 2007 10:35:52 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-918 Because of an excess of spam, I've closed comments on this post. If you have a comment to leave please find another, more recent post in the <a href="http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/category/themes/stitch-v-bitch/" rel="nofollow">stitch v bitch</a> category and leave your comment there. Because of an excess of spam, I’ve closed comments on this post. If you have a comment to leave please find another, more recent post in the stitch v bitch category and leave your comment there.

]]> By: j. http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-917 j. Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:11:07 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-917 Earlier today, I did actually think to myself, "what if I was in SFSE's position, and I needed to write a letter to the crafting community to explain why we were shutting down Yahoo groups, and how we feel we're being persecuted by the public?" Hmm... Earlier today, I did actually think to myself, “what if I was in SFSE’s position, and I needed to write a letter to the crafting community to explain why we were shutting down Yahoo groups, and how we feel we’re being persecuted by the public?”

Hmm…

]]> By: Amie http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-916 Amie Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:03:24 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-916 J, someone ought to post your version over at their forum. Maybe Gregie Poo could learn a lesson on spelling and composition, and how to write with a professional voice. J, someone ought to post your version over at their forum. Maybe Gregie Poo could learn a lesson on spelling and composition, and how to write with a professional voice.

]]> By: j. http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-915 j. Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:34:43 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-915 Fixed! Fixed!

]]> By: Robin http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-914 Robin Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:36:13 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-914 Quick note, the link to page 1 gives an error because it has a double quote mark at the end of the URL. Quick note, the link to page 1 gives an error because it has a double quote mark at the end of the URL.

]]> By: j. http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-913 j. Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:42:34 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-913 Wow, I love Yahoo. About the First Amendment: ignoring the issue about *where* individuals are located and what human rights guarantees apply to them online, in fact, an Internet provider *could* have the right to revoke a user's privileges on the basis of some perceived civil wrong. That's what terms of service are for--it's the contract between the user and the ISP. That's how Yahoo was able to yank the Stitch and Bitch groups without any further investigation than (probably) checking to verify that SFSE had a trademark registration for something vaguely resembling a group name. (And, by the way, if the beef that a trademark owner had with a group was that the group was posting unflattering comments, it might even be possible to trump up a trademark infringement allegation because of the usage of the trademark in those comments. Yeah, I know, but I did say "trump".) However, I do agree that the premise is ridiculous, because there are two different service providers (well, could be more than two, but let's not worry about that) in these types of communications--the one hosting the board, and the one providing Internet access to the user posting opinions. Any negative comments on the board are being hosted by SFSE's ISP, and they're at liberty to delete anything they don't like and to ban the user's IP address. There's no point reporting a complaint to *that* ISP. The user's own ISP probably doesn't give a flip--in fact, there may be laws that specifically exempt that ISP from liability for the user's behaviour as long as certain conditions are met. Wow, I love Yahoo.

About the First Amendment: ignoring the issue about *where* individuals are located and what human rights guarantees apply to them online, in fact, an Internet provider *could* have the right to revoke a user’s privileges on the basis of some perceived civil wrong. That’s what terms of service are for–it’s the contract between the user and the ISP. That’s how Yahoo was able to yank the Stitch and Bitch groups without any further investigation than (probably) checking to verify that SFSE had a trademark registration for something vaguely resembling a group name. (And, by the way, if the beef that a trademark owner had with a group was that the group was posting unflattering comments, it might even be possible to trump up a trademark infringement allegation because of the usage of the trademark in those comments. Yeah, I know, but I did say “trump”.)

However, I do agree that the premise is ridiculous, because there are two different service providers (well, could be more than two, but let’s not worry about that) in these types of communications–the one hosting the board, and the one providing Internet access to the user posting opinions. Any negative comments on the board are being hosted by SFSE’s ISP, and they’re at liberty to delete anything they don’t like and to ban the user’s IP address. There’s no point reporting a complaint to *that* ISP. The user’s own ISP probably doesn’t give a flip–in fact, there may be laws that specifically exempt that ISP from liability for the user’s behaviour as long as certain conditions are met.

]]> By: Jenn http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-912 Jenn Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:53:56 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-912 In crazy news of the day, if you log onto the yahoo groups home page, they have a cute little yarn/needle icon next to the words "Stitch 'n' Bitch." This is after they shut down my yahoo group for using the same words. Nice! In crazy news of the day, if you log onto the yahoo groups home page, they have a cute little yarn/needle icon next to the words “Stitch ‘n’ Bitch.” This is after they shut down my yahoo group for using the same words. Nice!

]]> By: LissaKay http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-911 LissaKay Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:06:07 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-911 OMG ... look at the main Yahoo Groups page. http://groups.yahoo.com/ And ya'll know I got a screenie .... http://tinyurl.com/babrw WTF? OMG … look at the main Yahoo Groups page. http://groups.yahoo.com/
And ya’ll know I got a screenie …. http://tinyurl.com/babrw

WTF?

]]> By: Erika http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-910 Erika Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:02:14 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-910 Whups! It's gone again. http://www.sewfastseweasy.com/stitch_and_bitch/statement.swf now produces an Apache 404 error. Whups! It’s gone again. http://www.sewfastseweasy.com/stitch_and_bitch/statement.swf now produces an Apache 404 error.

]]> By: anne http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-909 anne Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:29:28 +0000 http://www.girlfromauntie.com/journal/index.php/2006/an-evidentiary-object-lesson/#comment-909 i was reading a little abut this controversy concerning stitch 'n' bitch with amusement. years ago, in the 80s, when i lived WAY uptown in manhattan (157th st), i used to meet with friends weekly to sew, knit, and talk. there were many older ladies in our building, well into their 80s, and when they found out about it, several mentioned that we were participating in a "stitch n bitch," something THEY had done as young mothers. this was also confirmed by a friend's mother from long island, ny, who had used the phrase all HER life. years later, when i heard about the knitting group stitch n bitch which met in manhattan, i thought, well it's not so original, they stole that one! interesting that someone is fighting over it now . . . i was reading a little abut this controversy concerning stitch ‘n’ bitch with amusement. years ago, in the 80s, when i lived WAY uptown in manhattan (157th st), i used to meet with friends weekly to sew, knit, and talk. there were many older ladies in our building, well into their 80s, and when they found out about it, several mentioned that we were participating in a “stitch n bitch,” something THEY had done as young mothers. this was also confirmed by a friend’s mother from long island, ny, who had used the phrase all HER life. years later, when i heard about the knitting group stitch n bitch which met in manhattan, i thought, well it’s not so original, they stole that one! interesting that someone is fighting over it now . . .

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